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the planet's popping Masters Almost sure

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we have a plan there's clearly maybe

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something maybe on the realm of man

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until we've thoroughly tested every last

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closed-chested view find the more you

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think you know the less you really do

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will be

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we HD

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we know the lion too is just

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just don't want to agree where would we

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wouldn't company

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back in the saddle and ready to ride

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from Sunny San Diego I'm Greg carlwood

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and if you're fortunate enough to see

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through the thick fog of meaningless

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distractions Netflix dating shows

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superhero movies sporting events and

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whatever the big new video game is this

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week it seems like a serious storm is

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coming for the American Empire and the

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Western World in general the Capstone

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cabal seems hell-bent on breaking

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everything from creating toxic clouds of

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vinyl chloride in Ohio that are causing

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acid rain two states over to sucking up

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every last cent in the vault for the

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military-industrial complex in the

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orchestration of World War III add in

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that the chasm between housing costs and

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a living wage has never been wider the

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complete corporate harvesting of

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everything the sad state of our food

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supply the arrival of medical

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dictatorship a new round of regulations

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before you can even process the last one

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population so frustrated angry

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emotionally raw and unstable that even

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daily routine or sharing the road with

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them can seem a bit sketchy take a look

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at any measurement like the world

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happiness index or any list that

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measures quality of life and you'll find

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very few American cities even making the

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top 50. the situation is so dire and

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corrupt that an entire Young Generation

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has just given up on even trying to

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climb the ladder and the older

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generation is in such denial that they

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can't even see why so add it all up and

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I'd be surprised if we all have an at

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least considered an expat lifestyle and

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what it might be like to strategically

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relocate to a more affordable place with

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a slower pace and a simpler more Freer

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lifestyle with a smaller Target on its

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back from the big machine

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well that is what today is all about as

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our guest Mike Cobb the co-founder and

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CEO of ECI development has been

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educating people on emerging expat

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communities and helping folks obtain

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residency acquire property and even just

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make investments all across Central

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such things in the mid 90s

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now ECI development can help almost

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anyone looking to escape the rat race

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and prove their standard of living or

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get out of what seems to be an empire in

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Decline and if like me you've been

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thinking about a plan B well ECI

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development should be option A coming in

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hot from his paradise outside the

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American bubble the real Freedom Convoy

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coordinator optionality expert and

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international Man of Industry Mike Cobb

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welcome to the higher side

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wow Greg what an introduction thank you

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good to be a try yeah all in a day's

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work and that's it this is really going

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to be great man as I've dug into your

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various offerings they seem more and

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more appealing and I laid it on pretty

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thick in that intro but most people

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listening I would imagine have at least

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daydreamed about becoming an expat in a

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tropical Place yeah but the unknown can

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be scary and there is a type of

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conditioning in America that were a

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number one nowhere else matters and

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everywhere is unstable scary and poor

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commitment to get out kind of a devil

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you know situation so many are making

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what feels like a step in the right

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direction and getting out of the major

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cities or moving to the states that seem

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to Value Freedom more than the others

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think it's safe to say these ideas are

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swirling around in the minds of

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Americans maybe more than ever right

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absolutely and in your introduction you

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really hit a lot of nails on the head

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you know Empire and Decline and and a

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medical dictatorship these are some of

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the major drivers that are really

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causing people to start to look overseas

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look outside of North America and truly

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it's refreshing I mean we've been around

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we started our business 27 years ago and

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and so over the years we've seen

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different reasons that people were

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looking overseas you know 27 years ago

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of people looking for a higher quality

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of life and the lower cost of living

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sort of that baby boomer retiree that

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can't afford Florida or simply doesn't

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want to afford Florida or California or

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locations and people were looking at

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property in Mexico Costa Rica Panama

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Belize and so we started serving those

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people but very interestingly in the

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last maybe in the last decade but

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certainly in the last four years since

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you know the covid lockdowns and the

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dracco onion

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impositions of authority you know across

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the United States Canada but we actually

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have people from New Zealand Australia

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Europe who are seeking our properties as

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well because I mean quite honestly it's

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just scary it's really scary and people

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are saying whoa like nobody believed it

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could happen you talked about the devil

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you know versus devil you don't know but

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I think for so long people are just like

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wait just can't happen here it's not

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going to happen here that's the kind of

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stuff that happens somewhere else but lo

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and behold like it happened here it

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happened in Canada it happened in

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Australian Europe and all of a sudden

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people started to wake up and go

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I'd better get a plan B because I'm not

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sure plan a is going to work for me much

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longer right and and so yeah it's been

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incredible the number of folks in the

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last three four years who have just

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stepped up and said gosh help me help me

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find something and you know it's not

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even help me find something and so much

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as at the beginning it's you know what's

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out there what can I do how do I do it

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and we really do a ton of Education in

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the space and look a lot of people buy

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from us but many many many many many

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times more people buy from somebody else

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and that's okay I mean I feel really

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good when we help somebody make a great

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decision overseas because it's what

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they're looking for they're looking for

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a solution to a very serious challenge

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in their lives and again now it's a lot

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more urgent than I think it's ever been

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before Greg yes well said well said and

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I do appreciate focusing on various

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Creative Solutions because oftentimes on

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shows like this it's just Doom and Gloom

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it's just going over the bullet points

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once again of all the things that are

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screwed up and we are often ignorant of

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our options or we just don't get that

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far down the chain to start thinking

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what are we going to do about this maybe

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we can't change the big system but we

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can change our position in it in our

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orientation to it and it's great to be

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able to make a living where you are

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aligned with the good you're aligned

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with helping people instead of just

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being stuck in middle management at one

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of these companies doing the damage to

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the world so kudos to you for all those

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things and more and we should get at

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least a quick version of how you

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actually learned so much about Central

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America formed this company and kind of

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what the goals and offerings of ECI

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developments really are what can you

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tell us in that regard yeah sure you

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know I was in the computer business I

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graduated college in 86 moved to the DC

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Northern Virginia area was in the

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computer business and a buddy of mine

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from college called me up it was 1993

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called me up one day and said hey

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cobbster you know what are you doing

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this weekend and I'm like I don't know

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why he goes I'm going to believe you

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want to come with me and I'm like

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absolutely and then this is pre-google

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right there was no Google 93. I'm

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sitting there scratching my head going

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I had to fess up I'm like all right dude

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I have no idea where Belize is where are

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we going and he told me and so we went

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and what was interesting was it was fun

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I mean he was working he's a lawyer and

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he was doing asset protection trust for

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Chasers that kind of stuff right so he's

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he's helping doctors protect themselves

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from the ambulance chasing lawyers and

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anyway so we had a great time I said

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Joel just next time you're coming back

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you know let me know he said well I'm

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coming back in a couple months you want

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to come like absolutely so we planned it

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we went down we spent a few extra days

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started putzing around looking for

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property and we ended up finding a

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couple condos that were about to go into

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foreclosure they were side by side and

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so we bought them right and what's

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interesting Greg is that I have a saying

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that pretty much was coined way back in

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don't know right we don't know what we

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don't know and what this developer

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didn't know and what many developers

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didn't know in Belize and throughout the

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region was that there was no mortgage

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money so imagine this so This developer

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comes down his name is Jim Jen comes

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down he buys this piece of property and

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he's got on a three four million bucks

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and he builds you know 10 buildings of

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four units each and so he's got you know

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40 units around a pool and he's getting

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ready to start the second group of 10

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buildings and he's out of money but he

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never really thought about why he would

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be out of money because he came down

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with whatever three four million bucks

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he spent it on in order to sell these

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condos most buyers coming out of North

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America expect financing right they're

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not ready to write a check for 100 150

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for 25 or something or 30 or 40 but but

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not the whole thing right and so the

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problem was is Jim and many developers

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in the region they didn't know what they

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didn't know they didn't know that no

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Bank in Belize was going to lend a

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foreigner money and certainly no Bank

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back up in the states or Canada was

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going to lend you money on a condo in

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Belize and so they got stuck so in order

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to sell they would end up self-financing

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like they do developer financing but

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very quickly they ran out of money and

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the end of 93 and into 94 was a small

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mortgage company and we basically went

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around to developers and we bought the

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paper that they were holding so that

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they could get the cash back in their

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business and keep developing keep

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building more more stuff right and it

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was a great business you know I'm still

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at the computer company and we're still

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doing whatever we're doing but very

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quickly it became apparent that if you

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had I mean back then if you had 350 400

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000 and up you were buying a really

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really nice quality product you were

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buying a North American Standard product

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but if you were writing a check for 100

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150 like even in our condos I think that

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the construction itself was good it

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might even made me solid and good the

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problem was is there were just a lot of

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things that didn't make any sense so for

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example Lighting in the bathroom right

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there's a couple lights in the bathroom

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but instead of having it directly over

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the mirror or alongside the mirror where

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it lights up your face like it was

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behind your head so like your space is

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in the shadow and right or the

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countertops were too high or too low and

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the bar I remember in our place that

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were too low like you'd bang your knees

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every time you try to take your bar

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stool and sit at the kitchen counter

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right

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I remember one condo that I looked at

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for a collateral like I was the guy that

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walked around and went in and inspected

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the collateral that we were going to buy

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the paper from so this one developer had

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built some condos

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and I remember there was one Outlet on

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one wall in the living room and the

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people it was a resale right the people

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were already living there and so they

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had put two Outlet strips one going each

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Direction extension cords that ran to

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outlet strips to get power around the

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living room right

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and I just thought to myself I was

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talking to Joel I'm like man we can fix

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all of these problems for basically free

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right put the lighting in the right

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place fix the countertops you know

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adding a few Outlets I mean that's 10 15

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bucks a piece but I mean generally free

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right I said you know for almost free we

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could offer an American Standard product

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and really beat our competition

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significantly with a better product a

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more familiar product to a North

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American client and so that's the

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Genesis of our business we formally

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launched our development company in

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1996.

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and I left the computer business a year

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and a half after that full time and and

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it's just gone gangbusters ever since we

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started in Belize we went to Nicaragua

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then we were in Costa Rica and Panama

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and now we have projects in Honduras and

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a budding project and you'll like this

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one we can come back and talk about it a

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Bitcoin Community a village a Bitcoin

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Village in El Salvador that Mike

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Peterson asked us to build and we're in

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Honduras so we've really grown our

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business over the years because here's

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the reality there are different strokes

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for different folks not everybody wants

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the same thing when they move overseas

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for example even just as simple as I

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want to be on the ocean

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all right in Central America you've got

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three oceans you've got Caribbean you've

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got Atlantic and you've got Pacific and

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they're all very different right you're

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in California I heard San Diego right so

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you're in the Pacific and if you said I

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want San Diego but I want more freedom

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and lower cost of living right I would

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say We'll look at Guanacaste Costa Rica

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look at Nicaragua look at El Salvador

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because basically you've got San Diego

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climate you got San Diego you've got

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Cactus palm trees beautiful Pacific

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Ocean and and it's warm enough you can

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swim in it the temperatures 75 to 80

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degrees in the ocean right it's warm

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some people want Caribbean some people

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want Atlantic other people want

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Highlands right the springtime all the

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time climate the cool where it's 60 at

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night and 75 in the day every day of the

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year it's where they grow coffee right

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and so Central America in Latin America

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generally but even you know in this

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little area called Central America there

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are just so many geographies and so many

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different climate types and so we made a

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decision very very early in our business

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back in 2 2002 that we were going to be

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serving people where they wanted to be

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and so we started to add properties and

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add communities so that we had a real

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variety of offerings you know for the

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widest set of customers that we could

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serve

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um

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I love it I love it and I have been

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looking at a lot of houses lately so

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those elements of intelligent design and

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those little details they certainly do

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matter and when you sign on the dotted

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line of a place and you overlooked some

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of those details you're just like damn

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it I guess I'm dealing with this for

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several years before I move on that's

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right and a lot of those things are kind

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of the easy things to see you know we do

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publish a consumer resource guide that

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we get into a lot of the more you know

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granular things but one of my favorites

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actually is

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is the house or condominium plumbed for

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hot water in all the bathrooms and in

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Latin America that's not always the case

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many times the master bedroom master

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bath will have you know hot water

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there'll be one hot water heater it'll

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be somewhere outside the master bedroom

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either on a wall outside or in a closet

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somewhere but the whole rest of the

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house maybe there's a guest bathroom

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guest shower a couple bedrooms whatever

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a kitchen you know there's no hot water

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in the house and I mean again these are

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the kinds of things that we as a

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consumer we don't know what we don't

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know we need to actually see if there's

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really hot water in all the bathrooms

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right

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um it's kind of crazy

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it is so for people who are worried

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about the future in America and are a

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little expat curious as to their options

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for living in a tropical location in an

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area with a lower cost of living where

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they can actually feel like they're

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thriving and most likely working

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remotely paint a picture of some of the

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options that you think might get them

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excited because if you go to your

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website you have several communities you

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have tiny homes you have things that

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seem more like a resort and other things

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that seem more like your standard condo

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but talk to us about those range of

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options

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sure but can I actually back it up Greg

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and just go a little bit higher level at

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the beginning because when you get down

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to actual product type like we're pretty

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far down the road for somebody who's

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just kind of expat beginning sure and

448
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there are some other things that are

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really really important for people to

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begin to think about right

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and so let me just frame it in two big

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areas and then we can start to drill it

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down a little bit you know one is this

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concept of

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am I running from or am I running to

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right and it's a spectrum it's never one

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or the other it's always some of both

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right but primarily am I running from a

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situation in the U.S and I'm looking for

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a plan B right and a plan B for most

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people is that right it's a plan B plan

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a is to stay here and hope it doesn't

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get any worse or or ride it out because

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you know whatever we have family friends

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we have a job blah blah blah blah so

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we're going to ride it out here as long

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as we can but Plan B is sort of that

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okay it's there if I need it or when I

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need it right versus running two which

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is hey you know what

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my job is portable my boss said it's

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okay if I work from home so home can be

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anywhere where I have good internet or

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phone service or access to an airport or

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whatever the conditions are right so now

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all of a sudden that's a whole different

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analysis because a plan B is sort of

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what I would call the least cost

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way to get what you're looking for which

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is a backup plan right running towards

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is actually a real lifestyle decision

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where you're saying you know what I'm

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gonna really try to find a place that I

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want to be that's a beautiful home for

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myself my family maybe my children you

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know are there schools nearby is there a

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church nearby that you know we can

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attend you know where's the grocery

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store how far to the gas station

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how am I going to make new friends is

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there is there a rotary club a Lions

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Club I mean whatever it happens to be is

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there soccer or you know martial arts

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for my kids to get into a ballet I have

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two daughters and they were ballet right

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so it's a whole different kind of set of

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considerations and so what we normally

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do is when we start to engage with

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somebody who's looking right in the

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early stages we kind of walk through

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some of those things and help them think

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about it and we have we have a great

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survey that we send out to folks so they

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can kind of do it themselves it's in a

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self-assessment

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you know where you kind of walk through

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some of those what I'm going to call

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bigger picture kind of questions because

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what will happen is is depending on how

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you answer those questions and where you

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are in your life small children adult

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children empty nesters single person all

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those kinds of things will kind of make

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some options not very practical and

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other options very practical and then

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once you've figured out what those

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practical options are then you can start

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to layer in things like well do I want

519
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to be on the Caribbean or the Pacific do

520
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I want to live in an urban environment

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or more of a resort environment do I

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want a tiny home or do I want a single

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family home or as a condo what I'm

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looking for right and so we can really

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move from the bigger bigger questions

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down into more of a product specific

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kind of discussion but we really like to

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help people get through that because at

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the end of the day

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what we're really after are very very

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happy neighbors and we've served well

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over a thousand folks over the last 27

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years and many of them are neighbors

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they've moved full-time many are

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investors or vacation property when they

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rent it out when they're not there too

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right so we've got that element but many

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people are either full-timers or

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snowbirds and so creating that real

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sense of community and having happy

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neighbors but

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by the time we get to product

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discussions we're pretty sure usually

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the person's pretty sure that we're a

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good fit but early on in that discussion

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we tell people frequently hey you know

547
00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:24,000
what by the way you've answered these

548
00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:26,160
questions on the survey Medellin

549
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:28,740
Colombia would be perfect for you or

550
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,980
Santiago Chile or somewhere else and we

551
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,840
don't work there but we say based on the

552
00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:35,520
information you've given us

553
00:20:38,990 --> 00:20:37,140
here's where you should probably be

554
00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:39,000
looking that would be a good fit for you

555
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,400
you know and they go off and presumably

556
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,440
you know go do that right

557
00:20:48,409 --> 00:20:45,840
but by the time we get to product it's

558
00:20:51,529 --> 00:20:48,419
probably a pretty good fit but yeah tiny

559
00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:51,539
homes homes mid-size homes large homes

560
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,559
estate Lots condos and we really offer a

561
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,840
very wide variety of products as well

562
00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:00,480
once we get to the point of knowing that

563
00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:02,460
that's a good fit for the person who's

564
00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:04,440
in the process

565
00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:07,500
mm-hmm that makes sense and so yeah to

566
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,480
to build a foundation and maybe back up

567
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,000
to getting people's mental wheels

568
00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:14,400
turning about where might be right for

569
00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:16,919
them you mentioned Nicaragua Belize

570
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,580
Panama Argentina Costa Rica El Salvador

571
00:21:24,770 --> 00:21:22,679
and Honduras well a lot of people

572
00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:24,780
listening probably just don't know much

573
00:21:30,169 --> 00:21:27,960
about the nuances of these countries how

574
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,179
would you compare and contrast some of

575
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,400
them in terms of economic stability

576
00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:34,559
political stability corruption level

577
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:36,840
some of the things that might separate

578
00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:40,799
them from each other yeah boy that's a

579
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:43,799
pretty wide field to try to compare all

580
00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:46,020
of them but let me make some big broad

581
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,020
generalizations one of the reasons that

582
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,840
Belize is so popular with U.S and

583
00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,000
Canadians is that English is the

584
00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:56,700
official language and it's you know

585
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,620
whatever hour and a half from Miami two

586
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:00,960
hours from Houston about you know five

587
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,360
hours from Toronto so it's you know lots

588
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:05,760
of direct Airlift but English English

589
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:10,559
right is huge and also English common

590
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:13,919
law right which is the legal system is

591
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:16,860
49 of the 50 states Louisiana has civil

592
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,140
law and in Canada it's all the provinces

593
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,600
but Quebec is common law so it's kind of

594
00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:23,760
how we think legally we you know we've

595
00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:26,039
all read contracts and you know so we

596
00:22:30,169 --> 00:22:27,720
have a sense of kind of how it works

597
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,179
civil law is very different civil law

598
00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:32,400
was written by Napoleon of all people

599
00:22:37,970 --> 00:22:35,940
physically the man wrote civil law I

600
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:37,980
mean it's you know they still have what

601
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:40,260
he wrote but anyway it's a very

602
00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:43,080
different type of legal framework and so

603
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,940
when you get outside of Belize into the

604
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:47,520
rest of Central America and South

605
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:50,580
America you're into civil law and then

606
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,340
Spanish or Brazil Portuguese right so

607
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,960
you've got language issues but you've

608
00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:57,600
also got this legal framework issue

609
00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:59,400
that's different it's not bad that

610
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,500
there's no good or bad to it it's just

611
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:03,600
different it's not familiar right so I

612
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:05,460
would say that from that perspective

613
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,380
that's an easy one I think that's why

614
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:09,840
Belize has become an easy first step for

615
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:12,600
so many people the language and then the

616
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,299
common law and then similar culture to

617
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:17,760
it culturally it's much more familiar it

618
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,100
was British Honduras so again culturally

619
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,559
there's some alignment there as opposed

620
00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:24,240
to you know other places that were

621
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:26,940
Spanish or Portuguese which are a

622
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:29,880
slightly different cultural alignment

623
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:32,340
you know economically

624
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,860
I would say Panama is the most

625
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:37,440
economically stable of all of the

626
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:39,059
countries in the region

627
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,419
the Panama Canal I call it the ATM

628
00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:44,940
machine from Panama like literally every

629
00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:46,860
day they just go and I think it's about

630
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:48,299
you know four or five million bucks

631
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:50,580
every day they just withdraw four or

632
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,620
five million dollars every day from

633
00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:55,200
their Panama Canal ATM machine like

634
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,419
every ship that passes through pays them

635
00:24:03,230 --> 00:23:59,460
and they're just every day every day

636
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,240
every day so they've got real money

637
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,299
as a basis of stability it's got a

638
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:08,580
relatively low population the population

639
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,220
of the country is about 4 million

640
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:12,720
and then they've really done a

641
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:14,700
tremendous job of leveraging the canal

642
00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:17,400
into the logistics they are an

643
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:19,740
incredible Logistics Center

644
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,740
Dell caterpillar many other companies

645
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:24,299
have their kind of Latin American

646
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,799
headquarters there they've become a

647
00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:27,840
center for call centers because of the

648
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,880
bilingual nature of Panama they're a

649
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:31,740
Financial Services Center I know the

650
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,200
Panama papers gave them a black eye but

651
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,480
yes that was sort of like I don't know

652
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:39,000
sticking an ant in front of a semi like

653
00:24:43,870 --> 00:24:40,860
yeah okay there was a bump in the road

654
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:43,880
but it just it just kept on going

655
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,799
corruption's everywhere yeah right so

656
00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:49,440
economically Panama is very stable

657
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,980
the downside to Panama was of all the

658
00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:55,440
countries in Central America they were

659
00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:57,900
the most Draconian in their coveted

660
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:00,780
response they locked down severely they

661
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:03,240
enforced it they gave people two hours

662
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:07,080
every other day to go shopping so life's

663
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,940
always trade-offs right

664
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,039
Nicaragua on the other hand is probably

665
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:13,500
the least economically

666
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:14,940
well off I think it's actually

667
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,059
economically stable but it's the poorest

668
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,580
country in Central America and South

669
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:22,799
America only Haiti is poorer right so

670
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:24,900
it's Caribbean but in Central and South

671
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:26,820
America Nicaragua was the poorest

672
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:27,900
country

673
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,659
but I lived there for 14 years my wife I

674
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,640
went there with Carol my wife my

675
00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:34,799
two-year-old daughter Amanda we had

676
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:36,539
another little daughter Emily who came

677
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,940
along and you know the population's

678
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:41,279
about six million people but about five

679
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:43,140
between five and ten percent of the

680
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,480
people are pretty well off and some

681
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:47,520
percentage of those people are you know

682
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:49,559
millionaires right probably three four

683
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:51,240
five percent of the population of

684
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:52,980
Nicaragua has a net worth of a million

685
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:55,500
bucks so you've got this population of

686
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:58,679
300 you know two 300 000 people who are

687
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:01,500
all really really wealthy so it's kind

688
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,659
of ironic it's kind of a weird contrast

689
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:06,480
but Nicaragua has world-class Medical

690
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:07,500
Care

691
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,620
they've got the Byrne hospital for all

692
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,480
of Central America like every other

693
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,179
country flies their burn victims to

694
00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:17,520
Nicaragua for treatment in their in the

695
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:19,799
Vivian Palace hospital and you know we

696
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,900
did all of our medical there and I mean

697
00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:23,580
it's truly world-class medical care

698
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,779
because you got you know a couple

699
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,179
hundred thousand very very wealthy

700
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:29,760
people who want very high quality

701
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,140
Medical Care

702
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:33,659
but the cost of living is insanely

703
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:36,539
inexpensive and from a political

704
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,700
standpoint they were the country that

705
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:41,520
locked down the least they did not have

706
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,320
masking mandates they did not have

707
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,600
business closures they left it up to

708
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:47,820
individuals to decide or businesses to

709
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:49,080
decide if you wanted to close your

710
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:50,460
business close it if you want to spread

711
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:52,380
your tables out at the restaurant spread

712
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:54,299
them out you want to wear a mask wear a

713
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:55,740
mask you don't want a mask don't wear a

714
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:56,700
mask

715
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,419
so it was really interesting to see that

716
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:02,640
kind of I would say at either end of the

717
00:27:08,049 --> 00:27:04,980
spectrum right Panama economically

718
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,059
stable Draconian response to covet

719
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:10,559
Nicaragua you know economically stable

720
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,020
but very very poor as a per capita

721
00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:15,659
income per person but still you know on

722
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:18,120
the other side very free in how they

723
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:20,100
responded to covet and and I would put

724
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:22,140
the other countries kind of in the

725
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:24,179
middle Costa Rica probably was a little

726
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:27,419
more Draconian Belize a little less so

727
00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:28,919
but they all kind of fit on that

728
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,380
Spectrum somewhere but either end that's

729
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:33,360
what I would say those are the bookends

730
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:36,840
of that particular economics Freedom

731
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:39,240
versus lockdown and that kind of thing

732
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:41,940
so yeah well that's a great crash course

733
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,100
for sure and I've been saying that's

734
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,320
kind of the silver lining of covet is we

735
00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:48,720
did get to see when the does hit

736
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:49,740
the fan

737
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,620
who responds in which ways and where do

738
00:27:57,049 --> 00:27:55,200
we want to be in coordination with the

739
00:27:58,730 --> 00:27:57,059
general response obviously things can

740
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,740
change but that's why a lot of people

741
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,679
are moving from one kind of state to

742
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:03,600
another right now because maybe their

743
00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:05,940
world view only encompasses the 50

744
00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:07,980
States but they're assessing who

745
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:09,960
responded in which ways and where do I

746
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:12,179
want to be and maybe we just need to

747
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,659
broaden our Horizons out a little bit

748
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:17,940
into Central America and and look at

749
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,220
some of those things and really it's the

750
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:22,080
the vaccine requirements would be

751
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,700
something that I would think about

752
00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,679
obviously just I'm sure your whole

753
00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:27,900
interest in what you do is exploded

754
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,299
since covid but are there places where

755
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:32,640
the people who chose not to get the

756
00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:34,740
shots would probably want to avoid or

757
00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:37,799
you know can they navigate regardless

758
00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:39,659
you know that's interesting I think

759
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,419
right now navigation is pretty easy

760
00:28:47,149 --> 00:28:44,880
throughout the region without a vaccine

761
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:47,159
I know that if you're flying to a

762
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:49,020
country like Nicaragua for example you

763
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,520
have to show that you either have the

764
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,220
vaccine or you've taken a PCR test but

765
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:55,500
there's no vaccine requirement and I I

766
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:56,760
don't think there's a vaccine

767
00:29:02,090 --> 00:28:59,340
requirement anywhere in the region now

768
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:02,100
at one point it was either the test or

769
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:04,380
the vaccine and a lot of countries don't

770
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:06,600
even require the test anymore good good

771
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:08,760
yeah I mean it's silly to have to ask I

772
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:12,179
can't believe we do but I I do and you

773
00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:14,460
know you mentioned the cultural

774
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:16,919
familiarity and also the language

775
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,320
barriers those are certainly factors

776
00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:21,360
that I think a lot of people consider

777
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,419
which one of these countries or even

778
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,880
developments that you've been a part of

779
00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:29,279
would you say are some of the largest

780
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:31,860
expat communities and what would their

781
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,620
size actually look like yeah well you

782
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:36,600
know in terms of countries and we

783
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:38,940
haven't talked about Mexico but Mexico's

784
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,820
been drawing expats for you know

785
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:44,640
whatever 100 years or longer right but

786
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:46,919
you know since the 60s when they started

787
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:49,260
doing the movies down there in Acapulco

788
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,179
and Elvis and you know that whole gang

789
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:52,799
were down there I mean it started to

790
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:54,600
really take Mexico and put it on the map

791
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:57,299
for an expat destination so Mexico's

792
00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:00,059
really done pretty well with pulling in

793
00:30:04,210 --> 00:30:02,220
expats and creating wonderful

794
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,220
communities for them whether it's

795
00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:07,440
Guadalajara or Puerto Vallarta or Merida

796
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:09,419
or the Riviera Maya those are certainly

797
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,880
places that have done well and we don't

798
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,320
work there by the way we don't work in

799
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:16,080
Mexico at all but we admire what they've

800
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:17,100
done

801
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,260
the prices are a lot higher because

802
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:21,600
again they're much more popular they're

803
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:23,820
further up what I call the development

804
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:27,120
slash popularity curve so when you've

805
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,740
got places that are more developed and

806
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:30,899
more popular well prices are higher

807
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:33,779
right than places that are less popular

808
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:36,840
Costa Rica probably came in second they

809
00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:38,760
started really promoting themselves as a

810
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:40,679
retirement destination as an expat

811
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:43,559
destination in the 80s and they jumped

812
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,539
on it hard and they had some great

813
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:48,000
retirement laws pensionado that's what

814
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:49,740
they call them pensionado visas

815
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:51,960
retirement visas that you could get into

816
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:54,659
Costa Rica with you know eight nine

817
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,039
hundred a thousand dollars a month

818
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:58,080
Social Security payment or pension

819
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:00,840
payment and get a Visa get a permanent

820
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,299
residency there and so they did a

821
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:05,460
tremendous job with that and so San Jose

822
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:07,500
the Central Valley that's been really

823
00:31:13,789 --> 00:31:10,500
really popular as have the beaches in

824
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:13,799
Guanacaste which is the northwest corner

825
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,440
of Costa Rica in fact it's so popular

826
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:19,080
that we now have a Four Seasons Resort

827
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,159
JW Marriotts Weston Resorts I mean all

828
00:31:27,289 --> 00:31:24,960
kinds of very very high-end Resort

829
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,299
properties high-end residential

830
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:29,640
communities and again it's very popular

831
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,120
the prices are pretty high the Caribbean

832
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:35,220
side of Costa Rica has kind of been the

833
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:37,500
redheaded stepchild and and so you know

834
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:39,299
we own a property on the Caribbean we've

835
00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:41,100
not developed it but we're currently

836
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:42,899
partnering with a guy that's got a

837
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:45,240
beautiful Community there and we're

838
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,700
helping him finish it out and so that's

839
00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:49,679
one that we're starting to see some real

840
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:51,179
traction on now that we've gotten our

841
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:53,520
arms into it but Costa Rica very very

842
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,460
popular with expats for whatever 50

843
00:32:01,610 --> 00:31:59,640
years since the 80s 40 50 years Panama

844
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:01,620
probably right there right after that

845
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,500
just because of the canal many people in

846
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:07,260
the U.S military were stationed there at

847
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:08,940
one point or another they did a lot of

848
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,740
you know training and rotations through

849
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,020
the country and so a lot of people have

850
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,360
been to Panama a lot of U.S citizens and

851
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:17,220
so there's sort of a familiarity and a

852
00:32:22,850 --> 00:32:20,279
comfort with it and I think that has let

853
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:22,860
Panama kind of rise very quickly in the

854
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:24,179
program they have great residency

855
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:27,899
programs pensionado visas Belize a

856
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:29,340
little bit later to the game they really

857
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,740
started hitting it hard in the you know

858
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:33,720
mid to late 90s so we're talking black

859
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,860
you know 30 years say and they also have

860
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:39,840
some great visas they have what's called

861
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:43,260
a qrp qualified retired persons program

862
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,799
the qrp program it's excellent in terms

863
00:32:51,409 --> 00:32:48,899
of permanent residency programs again

864
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:51,419
it's easy to get it's easy to maintain

865
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:53,460
you only have to be in Belize a couple

866
00:32:57,169 --> 00:32:55,260
of weeks a year and you can maintain a

867
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,179
permanent residency there so it's a

868
00:33:02,510 --> 00:32:59,700
great plan B by the way the Belize qrp

869
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,520
is a great plan B because you only have

870
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,799
to be there it's either two or four

871
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,480
weeks I can't remember anyway but it's

872
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,640
not long I mean a couple vacations you

873
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,860
maintain a permanent residency so you

874
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:12,720
have that in your pocket

875
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:14,039
and then they've got investor

876
00:33:18,409 --> 00:33:16,380
residencies that are pretty favorable as

877
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:18,419
well so I think that's sort of the gamut

878
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:21,000
of you know where people have gone and

879
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,179
Nicaragua probably a lot lower on the

880
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:26,399
list not as many folks living in

881
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:28,500
Nicaragua as expats that number is

882
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:31,799
probably maybe 10 000 and let me just

883
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,960
run some numbers Mexico you know several

884
00:33:36,649 --> 00:33:35,700
hundred thousand maybe as high as a

885
00:33:39,549 --> 00:33:36,659
million

886
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:39,559
Costa Rica probably a hundred thousand

887
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:44,399
Panama maybe 50 60 000 Belize twenty

888
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:46,980
thirty thousand Nicaragua ten thousand

889
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,620
so you can just see the number of expats

890
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,320
kind of indicating the popularity but

891
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,760
also how long they've been in the game

892
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,679
right the longer a country's been

893
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,840
pulling in expats and building

894
00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:59,460
communities for them you know the more

895
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:02,039
folks that come there it's interesting

896
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,260
Greg where we've actually seen the most

897
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:07,919
traction is Nicaragua because

898
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,260
I mean we've got I don't know we have

899
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,599
about 200 addresses that are up or

900
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:14,159
almost finished we have about 80 homes

901
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:15,659
under construction and they'll wrap up

902
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:18,300
here by August but when those 80 homes

903
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,540
finish we'll have over 200 addresses on

904
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:24,060
property and I'm guessing that about

905
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,800
half of them are going to be occupied

906
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,800
either by snowbirds six months out of

907
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:31,679
the year or full time so our grand

908
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:33,960
Pacifica Community is really you know

909
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:36,179
it's a community it's a village now and

910
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:39,000
what drove the sails and drove the

911
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:41,580
really the relocation right that's

912
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:43,320
what's happening it's not just sales I

913
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:44,760
mean if somebody buys a house and puts

914
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,960
it in the rental program as an

915
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,119
investment property that's great and

916
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,159
overnight guests are wonderful but

917
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,599
they're really not part of the

918
00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:53,220
neighborhood right they eat at the

919
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,599
restaurant you might see them at the bar

920
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:56,399
or whatever go surfing with them or play

921
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:58,440
golf or whatever right but they're not

922
00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:00,900
really part of the community per se

923
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,099
what really drove so many people to

924
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,040
decide to own a property and then live

925
00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:10,800
at Grand Pacifica full time was the

926
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:12,839
response to coven you know around the

927
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,680
world and Nicaragua's laissez faire like

928
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:18,480
hey come on down here and we're not

929
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:21,060
going to bug you and people looked at

930
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:22,920
that and they were like really we're

931
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:26,700
like yeah really and probably of the 100

932
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:30,540
sales that happened in 2000 say 20 to

933
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:33,480
early 21 so maybe that 16 18 month

934
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:36,300
period about 100 sales

935
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:38,520
um three quarters of them were in

936
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:41,460
response to covet and many many more

937
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:43,740
than half of those people are moving

938
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:46,380
full-time so yeah

939
00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:49,260
it's been an exodus and I don't know I

940
00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:51,240
feel fortunate that we were in business

941
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:53,240
we knew what we were doing we had enough

942
00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:56,339
capacity to serve those folks and we did

943
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:57,660
and we are

944
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:59,820
wow well your passion is quite

945
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:01,740
contagious I'm almost ready to go one

946
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:04,640
foot out the door uh so come visit

947
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,980
that's a great idea and we actually got

948
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:10,320
connected through a listener named Karen

949
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,900
who is actually a San Diego local who

950
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:15,599
I've met before nice kind lady she is

951
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:18,060
really active in the stop 5G movement in

952
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:20,280
Southern California because she is EMF

953
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:22,920
sensitive and has been feeling more and

954
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,900
more ill because of the increased

955
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:26,880
density of all the electromagnetic

956
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,339
pollution yep and I don't know how often

957
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:31,140
you work with people in that sort of

958
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:32,940
situation but some of these communities

959
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:36,180
as I understand they might be Wi-Fi free

960
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,060
or at least better places to live for

961
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:41,160
people with EMF concerns wouldn't you

962
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:41,880
say

963
00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:45,480
yeah absolutely in fact Karen and I have

964
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:47,700
been going back and forth now for I

965
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,740
don't know four or five months really

966
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:52,740
working on the design of a neighborhood

967
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:56,460
at Grand Pacifica specifically for folks

968
00:37:02,510 --> 00:36:59,640
like her who are EMF sensitive

969
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:02,520
I'm careful not to use the word no EMF

970
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:04,200
because I don't think that exists in the

971
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:07,800
world anymore but sure very very low EMF

972
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:10,859
right and yeah so we're actually working

973
00:37:15,950 --> 00:37:13,500
with her and some other folks to design

974
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:15,960
a neighborhood that will be very very

975
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:19,260
low EMF and a couple things one is the

976
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,480
physical location of the site

977
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,400
it's kind of in a little bit of a bowl

978
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:26,160
so it's down low we've got teak Forest

979
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:28,140
on one side we're also in the teak

980
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:30,359
business we've we started planting teak

981
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:33,720
back in 1999 and but anyway we've got a

982
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:36,599
teak Forest on one side of the area and

983
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:39,000
then we may continue a teak and wrap the

984
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:40,859
neighborhood and teak because obviously

985
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:44,280
trees are a great reducer of any ambient

986
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,920
EMF sure but the other thing that I

987
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:48,960
think the thing that got Karen even

988
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:52,020
started in this was the fact this is

989
00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:56,880
incredible way back in 2004 2005 we

990
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,099
decided that we were going to run fiber

991
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,220
to every address at Grand Pacifica and

992
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,040
so we actually were the first fiber to

993
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:07,500
the Home Project in Central America and

994
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:09,720
the second in Latin America which is

995
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:12,780
incredible wow back in yeah 2005 I think

996
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,140
we had it installed and somehow she well

997
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:18,000
whatever we published that with a bunch

998
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,560
of press releases and all kinds of stuff

999
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,780
she found out about it and because as

1000
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:23,880
we've run fiber you know we have the

1001
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,520
ability to wire homes with very very

1002
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:29,280
high speed internet but we don't have to

1003
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:33,060
depend upon Wi-Fi so we're able to run

1004
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:34,980
the fiber put that in the neighborhood

1005
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:36,599
and then you know the homes I've been

1006
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,520
learning a lot apparently there are a

1007
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:40,560
lot of building methodologies and a lot

1008
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:42,420
of very simple things instead of using

1009
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:45,060
plastic conduit for your electric wire

1010
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:47,880
you know you use a metal conduit right

1011
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:49,980
so I mean just something like that the

1012
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:53,040
shielding reduces the EMF coming off of

1013
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,900
just your general electrical wires in

1014
00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:56,880
your wall you know Concrete Construction

1015
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,540
which we do is another shielding uh

1016
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,839
apparently low E Windows do a pretty

1017
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,220
good job as well so I mean there's just

1018
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:06,960
a lot of things that we've been learning

1019
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:08,940
about construction methodology some of

1020
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,740
which we already do Concrete

1021
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,960
Construction you know and low e-glass

1022
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,640
and things like that but then the

1023
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,320
shielding and other you know hate to

1024
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:18,180
call them tricks but other techniques

1025
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,420
that you can use and employ to reduce

1026
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:24,480
the EMF yeah it's pretty exciting Greg

1027
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,280
because we never would have thought

1028
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,079
about this but this is a great example

1029
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:31,079
of you know somebody finding us and Us

1030
00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:34,619
in this case really being able to build

1031
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:36,900
something that's important for them and

1032
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,240
really serves a need in the marketplace

1033
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:42,000
that I don't think anyone else in Latin

1034
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:44,280
America is doing it I haven't seen it so

1035
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:47,160
to solve a problem for folks that we're

1036
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:50,040
able to do it it's pretty cool yeah yeah

1037
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:52,680
I'm so impressed with this and somewhat

1038
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:54,359
related another thing that I think would

1039
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:56,040
interest listeners of this show I've

1040
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:58,500
heard you mention aggro resilient

1041
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,359
communities being built and I wouldn't

1042
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:02,700
call them prepper communities exactly

1043
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:05,160
but sustainable permaculture communities

1044
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:07,619
that focus on growing their own high

1045
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,140
quality food talk to us about that being

1046
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:11,599
in the mix with some of these options

1047
00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:14,820
yeah we haven't done much in the formal

1048
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:18,060
sense of that but our property is 2500

1049
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:19,079
Acres

1050
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:21,720
it was a farm basically when we bought

1051
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:25,079
it and so we've continued to farm you

1052
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:27,480
know large swaths of it you know we

1053
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,339
lease it to Farmers who come in and they

1054
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,980
plant sorghum and corn and we run a

1055
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:33,540
bunch of cattle on the property and have

1056
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:36,420
for years we've been into beekeeping I

1057
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:37,800
can't remember how many hives we have

1058
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,900
now but we've been into beekeeping for

1059
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:42,000
maybe about 10 years

1060
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,000
20 years ago we started planting various

1061
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:47,119
kinds of fruit trees

1062
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:50,579
Noni we planted a ton of Noni uh very

1063
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,099
powerful antioxidant they smell like

1064
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:55,859
crap and they taste even worse but um

1065
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:58,859
but but they're really good for you so

1066
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:02,040
but we've planted orange soursop ton of

1067
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:04,859
mangoes Limon which is kind of a

1068
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:07,020
interesting hybrid of lemon and lime and

1069
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,420
Nicaragua so we've done a bunch of

1070
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,240
Orchard stuff and just recently last

1071
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,420
summer we started to do more of what I'm

1072
00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:17,460
going to call vegetable gardens

1073
00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:19,800
and we've dedicated some land we've

1074
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:21,540
plowed it we ran water to it we're

1075
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,640
building some fencing and some other

1076
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:25,920
things to make it easy for folks who

1077
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:27,780
want to do their own gardening

1078
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:30,180
but the next step for us and we're

1079
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:32,820
probably still 12 months away is to

1080
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:36,180
actually bring in higher or partner with

1081
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:39,480
some kind of agronomist who really

1082
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:42,180
understands the resiliency piece because

1083
00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:44,099
it's different I mean we do produce a

1084
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:46,020
ton of food and the cattle and the bees

1085
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:47,880
and you know all that kind of stuff but

1086
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,220
to create that resiliency piece is a

1087
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:53,040
specialization that we don't have and we

1088
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,260
want to bring that in so sometime in the

1089
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:57,540
next 12 months we're going to layer in

1090
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,119
the resiliency piece to the aggro piece

1091
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,280
we already have and we know we need

1092
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,040
outside expertise and talent to do that

1093
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,680
so stay tuned we'll we'll keep you

1094
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:09,839
posted as that gets some reality on the

1095
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:12,720
resiliency piece but by its own nature

1096
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:16,320
the area I mean the area we're in was a

1097
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,420
subsistence agriculture

1098
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,880
area for I mean it's a farming area and

1099
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:22,800
many of the people who live there had

1100
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,560
very little cash economy they were

1101
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:28,560
subsistence Farmers all over so the

1102
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:31,980
depth of knowledge on what it takes to

1103
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:35,520
subsist on agriculture alone in that

1104
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,300
part of Nicaragua is deep and Rich and

1105
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,579
we will certainly be tapping into that

1106
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,680
as well it's just not

1107
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,140
it's micro and that's the difference I

1108
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:47,760
mean we're going to tap into the wisdom

1109
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,260
and the knowledge and we already employ

1110
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,119
about 300 people in the local

1111
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,280
neighborhood but how do you take it and

1112
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,800
scale it that's the piece that we need

1113
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:57,660
to bring in the outside talent for but

1114
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:00,420
the area itself yeah we're right on the

1115
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,940
ocean and yeah we have a farmer's market

1116
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,619
every Saturday and the local farmers

1117
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:07,079
bring in their produce the fishermen

1118
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:09,000
bring in the fresh fish that they caught

1119
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,160
the night before and they'll fillet it

1120
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:13,440
and they offer it so

1121
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:15,960
it's already mostly there but we just

1122
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:19,140
need to really get the intelligence of

1123
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,720
resiliency kind of factored in but

1124
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:24,060
that's common Greg that's common right

1125
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,280
on yeah it's just all about fine-tuning

1126
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:27,839
and there's just something about certain

1127
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,819
personalities that are like well I don't

1128
00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:31,380
know a ton about that but we're gonna go

1129
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:34,099
for it and we're gonna move towards

1130
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,940
achieving the goal and we're going to

1131
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:37,560
partner with anybody who can help and

1132
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,940
yep I just think that's a beautiful

1133
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:40,920
thing thank you yeah it is about

1134
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:43,020
partnering by the way I mean we've

1135
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,240
always been about team because you know

1136
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,760
what I don't know what I don't know I

1137
00:43:52,329 --> 00:43:49,980
love this saying too that the more I

1138
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:52,339
learn the less I know

1139
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:55,020
yes indeed story of my life for sure

1140
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,940
right yeah so you mentioned the Bitcoin

1141
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:01,980
thing in El Salvador I wanted to make

1142
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:03,420
sure we fit that into the first hour

1143
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:05,099
because it's creative and it is a

1144
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:07,859
curiosity of mine but El Salvador people

1145
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,720
probably know is one of the countries

1146
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,720
that has decided I think the first

1147
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,280
country maybe the there are a couple

1148
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:16,560
others now that are at least Bitcoin

1149
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,599
curious but they've made Bitcoin a

1150
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,579
national currency and it's a bit of an

1151
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,740
experiment and I hear mixed reviews but

1152
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:24,420
how would you say it's going from

1153
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,819
actually being there and how are you

1154
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,800
using it and what you do

1155
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:31,440
yeah well you know

1156
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,960
there's a lot to unpack so let me just

1157
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,480
kind of say that the reason that we're

1158
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:38,640
even involved there was about six years

1159
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,460
ago now we took our very first crypto

1160
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,400
transaction it was Bitcoin transaction

1161
00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:47,040
it was a significant one and it was for

1162
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:49,079
some teak all right some of our teak

1163
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:51,900
plantation and we got known as a

1164
00:44:57,170 --> 00:44:54,599
developer who would accept Bitcoin

1165
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,180
crypto and so we started getting invited

1166
00:45:01,970 --> 00:45:00,000
to speak at various crypto and Bitcoin

1167
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,980
events and so

1168
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,319
this was I guess coming up on two years

1169
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,900
ago now I was speaking at the Bitcoin

1170
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:09,359
conference in Miami I'd gotten done I

1171
00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:12,180
was back at our booth and this guy comes

1172
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:14,339
up and introduces himself and he says

1173
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:16,260
hey you know you're Mike Cobb I'm like

1174
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:17,700
yeah yeah so I was you know I was

1175
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:19,980
watching you and and I you know looked

1176
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,200
at your website he goes I own a piece of

1177
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:24,720
property in El Salvador in El Zante

1178
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:27,060
would you be interested in developing it

1179
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,099
with me or for me he said I'm in the

1180
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,480
food business and he says would you be

1181
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,160
interested in developing it for me and

1182
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:34,020
I'm like well okay yeah nice to meet you

1183
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:35,880
but here's what I'm gonna ask

1184
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:37,619
when you get home from this conference

1185
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:40,500
would you please send me a copy of your

1186
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,500
title send me a few pictures and send me

1187
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:45,359
if you have any maps of the property or

1188
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,859
whatever just send me a few things but I

1189
00:45:49,849 --> 00:45:48,540
got to see the title right because I get

1190
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:49,859
so many people

1191
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:52,740
I'd probably get approached by email and

1192
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:55,020
in person probably four or five times a

1193
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:56,520
month I mean even today I had some

1194
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,380
people talking to me about a property in

1195
00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:00,960
Cabo San Lucas right and so if it's

1196
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,220
interesting to me the first thing I say

1197
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,839
is well give me a copy of your title I

1198
00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:05,400
want to know I'm dealing with the owner

1199
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:08,339
of the property right and so truthfully

1200
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:10,740
Greg probably three quarters of the

1201
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,839
people I never hear from again but you

1202
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,400
know whatever Tuesday Wednesday the

1203
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:16,800
following week in my inbox boom boom

1204
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,180
boom Here Comes you know three or four

1205
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:20,400
emails from this Mike Peterson guy the

1206
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:22,740
title some pictures and I'm like all

1207
00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:24,420
right well good so he and I go back and

1208
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:26,819
forth for I don't know about six weeks

1209
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,200
and I'm talking to my business partner

1210
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:29,760
we're putting the letter of intent

1211
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,940
together and so finally my business

1212
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:34,800
partner he's the lawyer and he gives it

1213
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:36,839
to his secretary and says all right well

1214
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:38,579
Mary's going to put this into a formal

1215
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,200
letter of intent and like all right you

1216
00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:41,520
send it to Mike I'm like fine I'll send

1217
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:43,619
it to Mike I get a call the next morning

1218
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:45,480
Greg this is beautiful I get to call it

1219
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,819
like 801 Mary's in the office you know

1220
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:49,680
spot on eight right 801 I get a call

1221
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,740
from Mary she goes Mike Mike Mike do you

1222
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:54,000
know who you're dealing with in El

1223
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:55,020
Salvador

1224
00:46:59,870 --> 00:46:58,260
and I'm like oh right I mean hey

1225
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,880
I'm just like you know because El

1226
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,680
Salvador's got a bad reputation I'm like

1227
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:03,900
I have no idea but you know okay tell me

1228
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,660
Mary she goes it's Mike Peterson I'm

1229
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,359
like uh yep I knew that already she goes

1230
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,700
do you know who yes I'm like no she goes

1231
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:14,400
he's the guy that got Bitcoin started in

1232
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:16,380
El Salvador I just read an article about

1233
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:20,460
him in Forbes and I'm like really I'm

1234
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,500
like really she's like yeah

1235
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,540
and so she sent me the link I read the

1236
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:26,400
article in Forbes about how he got it

1237
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,480
started

1238
00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:29,700
and you know Greg what went through my

1239
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:34,020
mind almost immediately was I'm like wow

1240
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:37,380
this is exactly the kind of guy I want

1241
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:41,040
to do business with he never once tooted

1242
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,319
his own horn like he never was

1243
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:44,940
braggadocious nothing I mean he never

1244
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,520
even said like I'm Mike Peterson V Mike

1245
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:50,160
Peterson yeah you know right he was just

1246
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:51,540
like yeah Mike Peterson I got this land

1247
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:53,220
and we worked out a deal and it was a

1248
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:54,540
good deal for him was a good deal for us

1249
00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:57,720
it was a joint venture right and yeah

1250
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:00,599
Mike Peterson was the guy that got

1251
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,460
Bitcoin started

1252
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,500
and he did it in a very interesting way

1253
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,480
Greg I don't know if you know his

1254
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:08,520
background but he has a food business in

1255
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:10,380
the States but he moved with his wife to

1256
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,839
El Salvador of goodness 12 15 years ago

1257
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,819
now but they've been surfing there he's

1258
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,839
a surfer and they've been surfing

1259
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:18,720
forever and they set up a foundation to

1260
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,079
help other Charities and missions who

1261
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:24,240
wanted to come to El Salvador to do

1262
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,859
charity work right you know build

1263
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:27,660
schools or you know help out do whatever

1264
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,300
they're going to do so he built a

1265
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:32,160
foundation there to help these

1266
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:33,720
organizations who were coming to El

1267
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,900
Salvador to do good work to do all the

1268
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:39,180
logistics he would arrange the buses he

1269
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,859
would arrange the meals if they needed

1270
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,780
equipment he would Source it so when

1271
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:45,119
they got there they could just do what

1272
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,440
they came to do they didn't have to

1273
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,240
worry about all the on the ground stuff

1274
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,880
that was all taken care of by him and so

1275
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:52,859
I guess it's probably now what five

1276
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:55,140
years ago pre-covered yeah four or five

1277
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:58,260
years ago somebody came to one of his

1278
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:01,140
groups and said hey you know we have

1279
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:04,140
this huge Bitcoin donor do you know

1280
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:05,700
anyone who could

1281
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:08,460
but the condition was I'll give you this

1282
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,680
huge Bitcoin donation but you can't sell

1283
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:12,599
it you got to keep it in Bitcoin and

1284
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:14,339
these guys knew Mike was into Bitcoin

1285
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,839
and crypto and stuff so they reached out

1286
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,700
to Mike he said yeah I think I can do

1287
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:19,740
something so he looked at it he created

1288
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:21,960
this wallet he gave I don't know a

1289
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:25,200
thousand people in El Zante the code

1290
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,520
they could put it on their phone so

1291
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:28,380
these thousand people on their phone

1292
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:30,599
they set up the wallet and this guy came

1293
00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:32,460
along and gave them all like you know 30

1294
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,359
40 bucks of Bitcoin and it started this

1295
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,160
little local economy and people were

1296
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:40,260
using Bitcoin I mean for everything

1297
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:41,940
around town right

1298
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:45,900
then when covet hit Mike went back to

1299
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,880
this group and said hey can you go see

1300
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:50,400
the donor and see if he would be willing

1301
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:53,160
to continue to fund the people who have

1302
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:56,520
wallets because we're a tourist town and

1303
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:58,920
the planes aren't flying and everyone's

1304
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:01,500
starving and if he can just help out and

1305
00:50:04,849 --> 00:50:03,240
this guy said sure and I can't remember

1306
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,859
how much he gave a month to everybody

1307
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:07,680
who still had a wallet and president

1308
00:50:13,069 --> 00:50:10,200
buchelli's brother apparently caught

1309
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:13,079
wind of it and came down and sat with

1310
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,420
Mike and Mike was like you know I'm

1311
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:17,280
happy to help you but I'm not really

1312
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,500
your guy you know I did it here in in El

1313
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:21,119
Zante but you want to do it for a

1314
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:21,960
country

1315
00:50:26,089 --> 00:50:23,700
here are the people you should talk to

1316
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,099
and pop up and he handed it off and

1317
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:29,040
you're right Greg September 9th of last

1318
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,700
year September 9th of 2021 El Salvador

1319
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,280
became the first country in the world to

1320
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,859
accept Bitcoin as legal tender you know

1321
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:39,599
alongside the US Dollars the dollar

1322
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:42,359
economy and they now accept Bitcoin as

1323
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:44,460
well and you're right it's been a mixed

1324
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:47,700
bag I think just like you know FTX

1325
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:48,780
everyone

1326
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,800
crypto and Bitcoin is you know this

1327
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:54,720
gamble this speculative I'm gonna buy it

1328
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,460
I'm gonna make a ton of money but nobody

1329
00:51:00,530 --> 00:50:58,319
ever thinks for every winner there's a

1330
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:00,540
loser in every Market transaction right

1331
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,240
so I think that a lot of people kind of

1332
00:51:08,569 --> 00:51:05,760
got burned out on the Bitcoin then it

1333
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:08,579
went from whatever 60 to 20 and and so

1334
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:09,960
people were holding it they you know

1335
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:11,099
they saw a lot of their wealth

1336
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:13,859
evaporates so yeah it's had a rocky

1337
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,160
start in El Salvador but the people who

1338
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:20,400
are fundamentally transactional with

1339
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:23,220
their Bitcoin I think have done okay

1340
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:25,140
again nobody likes to see it at 20

1341
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,960
instead of 60 but it is what it is and

1342
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:29,760
again if it's a transactional medium

1343
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:31,980
which it is for so many people in El

1344
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,980
Salvador and think about it this way

1345
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,900
I mean there are a lot of reasons why I

1346
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,579
think Bitcoin is incredibly wonderful

1347
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:40,619
for a country like El Salvador you know

1348
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:43,619
El Salvador has as many people working

1349
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:45,720
outside the country as working inside

1350
00:51:50,329 --> 00:51:48,119
the country I can't remember the number

1351
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,339
of el salvadorians who live outside of

1352
00:51:54,049 --> 00:51:52,380
El Salvador but it's almost as many

1353
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:54,059
people who live in El Salvador but I

1354
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:55,980
know the number of people employed

1355
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:57,720
outside the country equals a number

1356
00:52:02,450 --> 00:51:59,940
employed in the country and so

1357
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:02,460
previously you know you've got a son

1358
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,440
when he's 20 takes off comes to the

1359
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,180
United States gets a job

1360
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:08,880
and is making whatever making okay money

1361
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:10,859
and it costs more to live in the U.S but

1362
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:12,420
still he's got a couple hundred bucks he

1363
00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:13,980
wants to send home to Mom every month

1364
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,059
right

1365
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:17,460
and he has to go to Western Union and

1366
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,559
they Whack Him 40 bucks or whatever and

1367
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:21,839
then mom has to get on a bus and go to

1368
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:24,300
San Salvador and take the whole day to

1369
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:26,280
go to the Western Union and they whack

1370
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:28,980
her another 20 bucks right so now all of

1371
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,920
a sudden 200 becomes 140 and she's had

1372
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,540
to burn a whole day and he's had to burn

1373
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,000
a couple hours over lunch and right and

1374
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:38,880
it's just inefficient and expensive well

1375
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:40,859
now with Bitcoin in the wallet the

1376
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:43,619
lightning wallet Sun can literally send

1377
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,640
Mom 200 and she gets 199 dollars and you

1378
00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:49,760
know 94 cents or something

1379
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:52,619
instantaneously on her cell phone and

1380
00:52:58,210 --> 00:52:55,500
for that reason alone I think that

1381
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,220
Bitcoin has been hugely transformative

1382
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,680
to the unbankable or unbanked I mean

1383
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:03,540
maybe they're unbankable but the

1384
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,180
unbanked in El Salvador have benefited

1385
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,359
tremendously because now their bank is

1386
00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:11,880
their cell phone and they don't need a

1387
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,040
bank account in a bank you know and all

1388
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,319
the hassles to go get one and all the

1389
00:53:21,049 --> 00:53:18,480
bureaucracy and on and on and on they

1390
00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:21,059
can just go to a store and they can buy

1391
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:24,119
a dress for their daughter or a Pupusa

1392
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:27,480
for 25 cents with Bitcoin with their

1393
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,220
phone and wow what a huge incredible

1394
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,040
awesome wonderful difference that has

1395
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,440
made in the lives of so many people in

1396
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,640
El Salvador

1397
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:40,800
but again for many people who thought it

1398
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,599
was a way to get rich quick you know

1399
00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:44,400
they didn't and right you know and so

1400
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,619
there's been a lot of bad press too but

1401
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:48,480
it's a mixed bag but I think on the all

1402
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,440
in all

1403
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:52,260
it is a far better more wonderful thing

1404
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:55,140
for that country than it is a downside

1405
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:58,559
yeah that is a great great detailed

1406
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:02,400
summary and I always root for Success

1407
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,160
when trying new things it really drives

1408
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:07,920
me nuts to see so many people kind of

1409
00:54:12,490 --> 00:54:10,440
trying to celebrate a failure in this

1410
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:12,500
regard it's like look we are born into

1411
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:16,079
systems that have monopolies established

1412
00:54:20,569 --> 00:54:18,420
little banking mafias everybody's

1413
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:20,579
getting their piece and there's so much

1414
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:23,760
corruption and inequality and it's

1415
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:26,339
really unfair so when someone actually

1416
00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:29,220
does try to disrupt all that and take a

1417
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:31,859
leap and make things better I think it

1418
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,680
should be celebrated and yep I'm fairly

1419
00:54:38,569 --> 00:54:36,480
neutral on digital currencies because I

1420
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:38,579
know there's a lot of talk about how

1421
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,220
they're used for greater control and

1422
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,440
that's probably true but I think it'll

1423
00:54:48,049 --> 00:54:45,119
be something more like a central bank

1424
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,059
digital currency where the old system

1425
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,400
adopts a new technology apology rather

1426
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:53,040
than Bitcoin itself and who knows but

1427
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,839
like let's throw some Hail Mary's

1428
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:57,359
because there's been some established

1429
00:55:02,030 --> 00:54:59,940
order for so long that is slowly sucking

1430
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:02,040
away people's wealth and it's just

1431
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:04,619
inconvenient to do anything and it's

1432
00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:06,660
just like you know let's try some new

1433
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,059
things so I appreciate it and I I hope

1434
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:11,880
it does work out for them yeah I hope it

1435
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:13,380
does too and

1436
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,720
for us as a company

1437
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:17,460
we're going to build a wonderful

1438
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:20,460
Community there in ozonte we've named

1439
00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:23,460
the community granzante it's a

1440
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:25,079
phenomenal piece of property that Mike

1441
00:55:30,829 --> 00:55:28,500
owns it's sloping Hillside with

1442
00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:30,839
beautiful ocean views it's right above

1443
00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:33,780
the town so literally walk to you know

1444
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:36,119
whatever 20 restaurants in 15 minutes

1445
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:38,520
and all the services you need are right

1446
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,460
there but every home site will have a

1447
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:44,160
view of the Pacific Ocean and very few

1448
00:55:50,089 --> 00:55:48,300
properties are truly that way I mean

1449
00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:50,099
you've got in front of the Hill back of

1450
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:51,480
the Hill you've got you know whatever

1451
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:55,380
this property is just incredible and

1452
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:57,059
we're excited to build this community

1453
00:56:02,569 --> 00:55:59,579
for the Bitcoin community and every

1454
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:02,579
transaction will be placed in Bitcoin we

1455
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:05,220
will only accept Bitcoin for the sale of

1456
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,319
property damn and once the community is

1457
00:56:11,329 --> 00:56:09,119
up and functioning

1458
00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:11,339
whoever The Operators are it could be us

1459
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:13,319
it could be you know third parties

1460
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:15,540
you know Mike has stipulated that he

1461
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,700
wants all transactions on property to

1462
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:20,400
occur in Bitcoin as well I don't think

1463
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:22,260
he can prevent dollar

1464
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:23,700
you know because dollars illegal

1465
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:26,700
currency but I think bitcoin's certainly

1466
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,220
going to be encouraged for transactional

1467
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:31,680
purposes at the resort at the property

1468
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:33,780
at the restaurants rentals of homes and

1469
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,880
things like that but it's exciting and I

1470
00:56:40,569 --> 00:56:38,640
agree with you time to cheer the folks

1471
00:56:43,069 --> 00:56:40,579
who are out there on The Cutting Edge

1472
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,079
bringing new things to Market that are

1473
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:45,839
and it is transformative for many people

1474
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,720
in El Salvador it's been transformative

1475
00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:51,540
in positive ways I hope it continues to

1476
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:54,300
be because it I mean again these folks

1477
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:57,420
are really they can't bank they just

1478
00:57:02,569 --> 00:56:59,460
simply can't get and maintain bank

1479
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:02,579
accounts and having a bank account on

1480
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:05,640
their phone you know really gives them a

1481
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,040
whole new freedom and a whole new

1482
00:57:12,109 --> 00:57:10,319
economy right that they've just simply

1483
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:12,119
never had before

1484
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,240
it's exciting it is and a community of

1485
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:17,940
bitcoiners I'm sure is a mixed bag there

1486
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:19,859
is something about the crypto bro

1487
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:22,619
archetype that is annoying there is that

1488
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,880
joke how do you know somebody has

1489
00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:25,440
Bitcoin well they've already told you 10

1490
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,380
times but there's also like a

1491
00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:30,960
Libertarian Spirit to those folks and uh

1492
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:32,940
I definitely have a lot of overlapping

1493
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,640
the things I appreciate with those folks

1494
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,920
as well so I just think it's cool people

1495
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,079
should be doing unique things we only

1496
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:42,480
live once this is supposed to be kind of

1497
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,000
like a Sandbox playground to experience

1498
00:57:49,790 --> 00:57:48,000
all kinds of innovative things and we

1499
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:49,800
just kind of get beaten down by the

1500
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:51,660
structures and the system that is

1501
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:54,599
imposed upon us and sometimes we go our

1502
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:57,059
whole life just being frustrated with

1503
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:59,400
our structure and environment and we

1504
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:00,660
don't do anything about it so that's

1505
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:03,180
really what all this is about is doing a

1506
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,640
little something about it yep and man I

1507
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:07,140
know we're kind of getting to the end of

1508
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:08,460
the line here but I wanted to at least

1509
00:58:12,589 --> 00:58:10,920
ask you about due diligence because I

1510
00:58:14,569 --> 00:58:12,599
hear you talk about it a lot I I know

1511
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,579
it's important we want to know how to

1512
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:16,319
make good decisions and feel confident

1513
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,540
when we really don't know a lot about a

1514
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:21,599
region I'm sure partnering with your

1515
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,819
company would help a little bit in that

1516
00:58:27,049 --> 00:58:25,440
regard you know there's a trust

1517
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:27,059
situation there you want to go with

1518
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:29,640
someone that's pretty established and

1519
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:31,980
you feel good about but what would you

1520
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:33,540
say about the importance of due

1521
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:35,220
diligence for the average person who's

1522
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:37,020
maybe thinking about getting involved in

1523
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:39,720
some of this stuff sure Greg is it okay

1524
00:58:44,569 --> 00:58:41,940
if I tell people how to get a copy of

1525
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:44,579
our consumer resource guide of course of

1526
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:47,640
course okay so the best way to get a

1527
00:58:56,890 --> 00:58:51,680
copy is actually just send me an email

1528
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:56,900
mike.cob it's mike.com Cobb at

1529
00:59:00,910 --> 00:58:58,980
ecidevelopment.com if you just send an

1530
00:59:03,289 --> 00:59:00,920
email to mike.com

1531
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:03,299
ecidevelopment.com and in the subject

1532
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:06,420
line just write something about fireside

1533
00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:10,740
chat slash consumer guide consumer guide

1534
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:12,420
but I always like to know where where

1535
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,040
folks heard me as well so if you can

1536
00:59:20,089 --> 00:59:16,559
just write something in there about that

1537
00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:20,099
too sure we'll send you a link to

1538
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:22,619
download the consumer resource guide it

1539
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,380
is a phenomenal book it's got 15

1540
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:28,079
questions that we should ask when we buy

1541
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,700
property overseas

1542
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:31,920
and it's hard to remember 15 things so

1543
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:33,660
I'm going to give everyone listening

1544
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,940
right now three things to remember

1545
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:37,980
everybody can remember three things so

1546
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,660
remember these three things

1547
00:59:44,569 --> 00:59:42,000
buy what you see

1548
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:44,579
if it's there it's there if it's not

1549
00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:46,920
there maybe it will be maybe it won't

1550
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:49,619
number one buy what you see

1551
00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:53,400
second thing own Community right are

1552
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,839
there people around

1553
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:56,880
is it the kind of place that you will

1554
01:00:02,329 --> 01:00:00,059
enjoy spending time and or if it's an

1555
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,339
investment is it the kind of place that

1556
01:00:06,829 --> 01:00:04,319
a vacationer would enjoy spending time

1557
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:06,839
is there a tennis court is there a golf

1558
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:09,240
course is there a gym what kinds of

1559
01:00:14,829 --> 01:00:12,119
amenities are around right own community

1560
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,839
and then the last one the third one is

1561
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:17,280
know the developer

1562
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,099
you know we've been around for 27 years

1563
01:00:24,589 --> 01:00:22,260
as ECI I've been working in the region

1564
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,599
for 29 years now

1565
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:27,119
you know track record's important but

1566
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,220
just simple things before I wrote a

1567
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:31,440
check for a condo or a home or a

1568
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,720
property I would just simply ask the

1569
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:35,520
developer to see a copy of their

1570
01:00:40,430 --> 01:00:37,980
financials or see a copy of their

1571
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:40,440
business plan right just some simple

1572
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,980
things we as consumers can do to check

1573
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:45,359
them out right because there is no

1574
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,220
better business bureau there are no

1575
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,200
Regulatory Agencies

1576
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:51,359
and really what this consumer resource

1577
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,940
guide does with the 15 questions and

1578
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:55,440
there are several articles in there as

1579
01:00:58,849 --> 01:00:56,220
well

1580
01:01:02,030 --> 01:00:58,859
and by the way it's not a sales document

1581
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:02,040
I think the back inside cover has my

1582
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:03,780
contact information our phone number I

1583
01:01:08,809 --> 01:01:05,160
don't know but I mean the entire

1584
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,819
document is truly a resource for a

1585
01:01:14,690 --> 01:01:11,040
consumer to get it right the first time

1586
01:01:16,730 --> 01:01:14,700
but the key takeaway is to change how we

1587
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:16,740
think because in the United States in

1588
01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:19,380
North America Europe we live in the land

1589
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:22,740
of seller beware right seller beware

1590
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:25,260
there's every kind of regulatory body

1591
01:01:31,130 --> 01:01:27,900
and law and groups and everybody's

1592
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,140
looking out for the consumer right but

1593
01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:34,319
when we go overseas we are truly moving

1594
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:37,380
into the land of buyer beware

1595
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:39,780
because those regulatory bodies either a

1596
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:42,240
don't exist or even if they do exist

1597
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:44,040
they don't have a budget to do very much

1598
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,020
and so you don't have consumer

1599
01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:48,720
protections but this goes back to my new

1600
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,700
favorite talk which is you know freedom

1601
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,559
and personal responsibility two sides of

1602
01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:55,200
the same coin I love the freedom I love

1603
01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:57,960
the freedom to live and work and make

1604
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,420
decisions outside the U.S but I have to

1605
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,880
take the personal responsibility for the

1606
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,559
due diligence to get it right because

1607
01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:06,480
nobody's looking out for me I have to

1608
01:02:11,210 --> 01:02:09,240
look out for myself or truly we have to

1609
01:02:13,370 --> 01:02:11,220
look out for one another right

1610
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,380
and no man's an island kind of thing but

1611
01:02:17,870 --> 01:02:15,359
at the same time it does start with us

1612
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:17,880
but if we don't know what we don't know

1613
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:20,040
and we don't know the right questions to

1614
01:02:23,089 --> 01:02:21,660
ask and we don't even understand that

1615
01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:23,099
we're moving into the land of buyer

1616
01:02:27,230 --> 01:02:25,380
beware you know lots of yucky things can

1617
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,240
happen and lots of yucky things do

1618
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:30,240
happen and so I started writing this

1619
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,460
book about 25 years ago it's been

1620
01:02:35,690 --> 01:02:34,079
through many editions it gets updated

1621
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:35,700
every year blah blah blah blah blah blah

1622
01:02:41,809 --> 01:02:38,400
but basically the whole point of this

1623
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:41,819
consumer resource guide was to

1624
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:44,640
help anybody everybody looking at

1625
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:47,040
property overseas to get it right the

1626
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,599
first time to do it right the first time

1627
01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:51,359
because even if somebody buys somebody

1628
01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:53,099
else's property but they love it they

1629
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,900
have a great experience they're gonna

1630
01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:56,640
tell people about the great experience

1631
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,500
of living as an expat or buying a

1632
01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:00,480
property overseas or or whatever it is

1633
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:03,780
and that grows the marketplace

1634
01:03:07,730 --> 01:03:06,180
and you know selfishly I win when the

1635
01:03:11,329 --> 01:03:07,740
marketplace grows

1636
01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:11,339
I guess maybe in a philosophical sense I

1637
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:13,319
win because somebody made a good

1638
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,940
decision and they're happy and I think

1639
01:03:19,789 --> 01:03:17,280
that's good for the world and good for

1640
01:03:22,490 --> 01:03:19,799
karma right but yeah um the consumer

1641
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,500
resource guide gosh it's such an easy

1642
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,720
simple thing to request please request

1643
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:27,119
it read through it 15 questions it'll

1644
01:03:31,069 --> 01:03:29,339
take you 20 25 minutes to look through

1645
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:31,079
it if you're looking for property

1646
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,559
overseas you absolutely need to read it

1647
01:03:38,569 --> 01:03:37,440
understand it and begin to change how

1648
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:38,579
you think

1649
01:03:42,349 --> 01:03:40,980
buyer beware is a whole different

1650
01:03:45,049 --> 01:03:42,359
environment

1651
01:03:48,349 --> 01:03:45,059
and this book will help you begin to

1652
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:48,359
think differently so that you become the

1653
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:52,260
smart wise consumer in a foreign land

1654
01:03:59,030 --> 01:03:56,400
nice nice man cheers to that and I will

1655
01:04:00,829 --> 01:03:59,040
certainly put the email address in the

1656
01:04:03,049 --> 01:04:00,839
show notes so people don't have to

1657
01:04:04,990 --> 01:04:03,059
rewind and try to find it and of course

1658
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:05,000
the website is

1659
01:04:09,289 --> 01:04:07,020
ecidevelopment.com it's a really well

1660
01:04:11,089 --> 01:04:09,299
designed website you got several

1661
01:04:12,829 --> 01:04:11,099
communities I think I see over a dozen

1662
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:12,839
if I were to count them up and you got

1663
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:15,839
another section for properties and

1664
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:18,420
renting versus owning versus investing

1665
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,660
and the teak stuff is on there too so it

1666
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,000
is a real great resource in and of

1667
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:26,160
itself and I don't think I saw anywhere

1668
01:04:31,930 --> 01:04:30,240
what does ECI stand for oh you you had

1669
01:04:34,609 --> 01:04:31,940
to ask

1670
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:34,619
so the name of the three guys who

1671
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:38,160
started it no it's worse so when we

1672
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:40,140
first started our little mortgage

1673
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:42,839
company back in 19 I guess we

1674
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:45,359
corporately formed in 94 as a mortgage

1675
01:04:50,089 --> 01:04:47,880
company but anyway we were on this

1676
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:50,099
little island and the islands off the

1677
01:04:56,690 --> 01:04:53,040
coast of Belize are called keys CA y e

1678
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,700
right and so we named our company exotic

1679
01:05:00,589 --> 01:04:58,740
key International

1680
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,599
and had we known that we were going to

1681
01:05:04,849 --> 01:05:02,880
morph into all kinds of other things and

1682
01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:04,859
whatever we would be outside Belize and

1683
01:05:08,510 --> 01:05:06,599
we're not on the keys and we would have

1684
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:08,520
named it differently but once we bought

1685
01:05:12,289 --> 01:05:10,500
the property in Nicaragua we realized

1686
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:12,299
well that doesn't work anymore so we

1687
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,200
shortened it to ECI development so right

1688
01:05:21,370 --> 01:05:18,540
on right on here's the big tip if you

1689
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:21,380
ever start a business think big

1690
01:05:26,030 --> 01:05:24,180
name hey I picked a name that is a

1691
01:05:27,770 --> 01:05:26,040
made-up word so when people are looking

1692
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:27,780
for higher side and they can be spelled

1693
01:05:32,210 --> 01:05:30,240
multiple ways and every other business

1694
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:32,220
is asking can I get your email I'm like

1695
01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:33,720
you know I really don't want to spell

1696
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:36,599
this thing out for you but that's the

1697
01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:37,920
way it goes you know I should have just

1698
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:40,140
been the conspiracy show or something

1699
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:41,940
that nobody could screw up but here we

1700
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:44,280
are yeah right but the good thing is

1701
01:05:47,569 --> 01:05:46,020
it's a broad umbrella no one knows what

1702
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,579
the higher side chats is supposed to

1703
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:49,200
cover so one day you're talking about

1704
01:05:53,770 --> 01:05:50,700
aliens next day you're talking about

1705
01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:53,780
properties in Central America you know

1706
01:05:58,849 --> 01:05:56,460
incredible yeah you know Greg I mean

1707
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,859
this has been a tremendous conversation

1708
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,200
thank you so much for having me on I

1709
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,839
I've enjoyed sharing with you but you

1710
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:05,280
know sharing with the folks listening

1711
01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:07,319
about the adventure that they can have

1712
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:09,540
overseas I'm guessing that anybody who's

1713
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:10,980
tuned in for the whole two hours

1714
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:13,920
certainly has an adventurous spirit and

1715
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,799
I encourage that I applaud that and and

1716
01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:19,200
Greg thanks for letting us get out and

1717
01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:21,660
talk about it yeah thanks for doing it I

1718
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:24,059
thought this was really enjoyable and I

1719
01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:25,680
know it's not for everyone but I like

1720
01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:27,720
presenting options it's easy to feel

1721
01:06:31,789 --> 01:06:29,579
sort of trapped for one reason or

1722
01:06:33,770 --> 01:06:31,799
another and sometimes we just need to be

1723
01:06:36,349 --> 01:06:33,780
presented with some new options and take

1724
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,359
a leap if you can put yourself and your

1725
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:38,400
family in a better environment or make

1726
01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:40,200
an investment that could break a cycle

1727
01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:42,780
of Barely getting by or create some

1728
01:06:47,390 --> 01:06:44,819
multi-generational wealth it should be

1729
01:06:49,549 --> 01:06:47,400
heavily considered and Mike I appreciate

1730
01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:49,559
all you do to help people in all sorts

1731
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:51,240
of different situations I'm glad we were

1732
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,400
introduced take care out there

1733
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:56,400
two thanks Greg

1734
01:07:01,549 --> 01:06:59,400
all right guys how about it has to have

1735
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,559
been unexpected but I walked away from

1736
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:03,359
this interview really charged up about

1737
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,220
the possibilities

1738
01:07:09,529 --> 01:07:06,960
Mike even sent me some pictures

1739
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:09,539
afterwards of his girls having all sorts

1740
01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:12,180
of fun growing up in Nicaragua seeing

1741
01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:15,480
the baby sea turtles hatch zip lining in

1742
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,619
the jungle

1743
01:07:21,529 --> 01:07:18,960
and something called Volcano sliding

1744
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,539
basically sledding on the Sandy gravel

1745
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,760
on the side of a volcano

1746
01:07:27,529 --> 01:07:26,160
wild stuff and I know every listener is

1747
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,539
going to be at a different point in

1748
01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:29,520
their life I can't help that

1749
01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:31,559
so if this doesn't apply to your

1750
01:07:35,809 --> 01:07:34,140
specific situation at this time I'm

1751
01:07:38,329 --> 01:07:35,819
sorry about that

1752
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:38,339
these mortgages are cheaper than in the

1753
01:07:44,569 --> 01:07:41,280
US you are closer to the natural world

1754
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:44,579
you have organic locally grown food as a

1755
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:46,740
norm and industrialization hasn't

1756
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:49,079
completely poisoned the environment so

1757
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,240
for the adventurists who want to start a

1758
01:07:55,970 --> 01:07:53,039
new life somewhere Mike brings about a

1759
01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:55,980
dozen interesting options to the table

1760
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:57,780
I'm pretty committed to what I got going

1761
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,260
on right now but in five years who knows

1762
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,119
plus it's not always a song about me

1763
01:08:08,329 --> 01:08:05,760
it's a song about you guys

1764
01:08:10,849 --> 01:08:08,339
it's fun to consider it and picture it

1765
01:08:12,529 --> 01:08:10,859
and kind of daydream about it plus I

1766
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,539
have a lot more knowledge now than I did

1767
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:14,880
before this and maybe I'll dip my toe in

1768
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:17,640
with the teak plantation that just

1769
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,739
sounds so amazing as a way to set up

1770
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:21,839
each new generation of your family with

1771
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:23,580
a little cash infusion when it's

1772
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:24,600
important

1773
01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:26,580
we have to get creative because the

1774
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:28,920
paths were told to walk pretty much lead

1775
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,299
to nowhere

1776
01:08:34,910 --> 01:08:32,400
and sometimes when I'm on other shows

1777
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,920
people ask me how we're gonna stop all

1778
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:37,020
this stuff actually I think that was

1779
01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:38,520
also a question that came up in the

1780
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:41,880
gramerica Mount Shasta event q a that I

1781
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:45,000
added to the Plus members bonus page if

1782
01:08:50,269 --> 01:08:47,100
you are a plus member look in the menu

1783
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:50,279
go to the bonuses page and scroll down

1784
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:55,199
and you will see the gramerica Q a it's

1785
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,239
a lot of fun actually Darren had some

1786
01:09:02,209 --> 01:08:59,460
great lines Joe root made some really

1787
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:02,219
good points and I rambled on a bit like

1788
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:04,620
Russell Brand on the Bill Marsh show

1789
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:06,600
but one of the questions even there was

1790
01:09:11,150 --> 01:09:09,000
about stopping the world economic Forum

1791
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:11,160
climate policy digital currencies

1792
01:09:17,150 --> 01:09:13,799
climate credits Etc like how do we win

1793
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,160
how do we defeat the big machine and I'm

1794
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:19,679
always reminded in these moments of

1795
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,900
Gordon's line that not everyone gets to

1796
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,279
fight Sauron

1797
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:25,199
sometimes you aren't the hero of the

1798
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:27,299
story sometimes it's not your role in

1799
01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:30,000
life to be Hercules you know

1800
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:32,520
and you can't make people do anything or

1801
01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:35,100
work together in any significant way so

1802
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:38,100
the way you win is not to stop it all

1803
01:09:42,349 --> 01:09:40,140
from happening but to anticipate it and

1804
01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:42,359
to reorient your life so it affects you

1805
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:43,380
less

1806
01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:45,420
it's important to really grasp the

1807
01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:47,460
reality that these things that worry us

1808
01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:48,779
are coming

1809
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:50,699
it's not a matter of stopping them it's

1810
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:52,739
about how much freedom and autonomy

1811
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,020
you're gonna have in your individual

1812
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:57,600
life despite all that stuff

1813
01:10:02,930 --> 01:10:00,300
and Mike added a few more feathers to

1814
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:02,940
your optionality cap today why not just

1815
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,160
step up and get the consumer resource

1816
01:10:10,810 --> 01:10:06,960
guide he offered

1817
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:10,820
just email Mike dot Cobb at

1818
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:13,080
ecidevelopment.com the link is in the

1819
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:14,640
show notes

1820
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:16,620
and so we did Cover a lot in the first

1821
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,080
hour but I am really happy I had to

1822
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:21,840
because in the plush show we added more

1823
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:23,880
material about different paths to

1824
01:10:28,610 --> 01:10:26,640
residency and visas or citizenship

1825
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:28,620
across Central America

1826
01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:31,920
comparing food costs quality and access

1827
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,900
first the US

1828
01:10:39,410 --> 01:10:36,560
living in Synergy with local populations

1829
01:10:40,970 --> 01:10:39,420
crime statistics and police corruption

1830
01:10:44,110 --> 01:10:40,980
in these areas

1831
01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:44,120
navigating South American bribe culture

1832
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:46,620
teak investment opportunities probably

1833
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:49,140
the best part and also the best

1834
01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:50,760
investments in rental property

1835
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,820
opportunities with ECI development lots

1836
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,440
of really good info I'd get the seven

1837
01:11:01,070 --> 01:10:57,360
day free trial just to hear about the

1838
01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:01,080
teak thing man lots to like and

1839
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,300
sometimes the solution is just to move

1840
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:05,760
out of the way of a runaway train before

1841
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:09,120
it crashes and I hope you feel a bit

1842
01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:11,580
more educated on what this sort of

1843
01:11:15,169 --> 01:11:13,380
solution would entail if it's something

1844
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:15,179
that swirls around in your brain from

1845
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,560
time to time

1846
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,480
and Higher Side news we are in the last

1847
01:11:23,410 --> 01:11:21,120
few days of the eBay outline auction

1848
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:23,420
check it out at ebay.com

1849
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:26,820
USR Higher Side chats only about 20

1850
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,380
outlines left up there and maybe two to

1851
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,600
four days left to get one

1852
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:35,280
other than that well you know we're

1853
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:37,080
going to check the meetups calendar so

1854
01:11:40,610 --> 01:11:38,820
let's see where the people are coming

1855
01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:40,620
together next

1856
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:43,560
all right coming right up March 11th we

1857
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,800
have a Spooner Wisconsin Meetup also

1858
01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:49,920
March 11th a Vancouver Island beach

1859
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:53,159
Meetup also March 11th one in Scottsdale

1860
01:12:01,610 --> 01:11:56,480
Arizona March 18th Harrisburg Oregon

1861
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,620
March 22nd Arroyo Hondo New Mexico

1862
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:03,600
and March 23rd

1863
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,719
the antler hunt camp out on pot mountain

1864
01:12:11,630 --> 01:12:08,880
in Northern New Mexico

1865
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:11,640
and that clears the calendar for the

1866
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:14,940
month of March good events all over

1867
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:17,520
this great land

1868
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:19,860
I like it have some fun with the

1869
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:22,080
calendar guys make events anytime for

1870
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:23,820
any reason and meet some new people that

1871
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:26,460
also like THC probably in more ways than

1872
01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:28,980
one but that does it reach out to Mike

1873
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,900
if you want more information on any of

1874
01:12:34,189 --> 01:12:33,120
this he's a great resource and good luck

1875
01:12:36,169 --> 01:12:34,199
out there

1876
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,179
the dangers must be growing for the

1877
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:37,920
rowers keep on rowing and they're

1878
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:39,900
certainly not showing any signs that

1879
01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:41,699
they are slowing

1880
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,620
thanks for listening I've done my part

1881
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:46,320
your move expat enthusiasts Central

1882
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:48,540
America contingency planners and

1883
01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:51,920
abandoners of the collapsing Empire

1884
01:13:00,770 --> 01:12:56,280
your move well they tie that

1885
01:13:19,450 --> 01:13:00,780
yellow ribbon around the oak tree

1886
01:13:25,460 --> 01:13:22,850
that he carries all the pain in the

1887
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:25,470
world

1888
01:13:39,250 --> 01:13:33,430
[Music]

1889
01:14:22,189 --> 01:13:41,820
summer terrorists

1890
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:22,199
[Music]

1891
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:31,830
in my Cemetery

1892
01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:41,600
[Music]

1893
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:45,659
sing with me and that's where they found

1894
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:46,090
me

1895
01:14:55,310 --> 01:15:02,410
[Music]

1896
01:15:23,470 --> 01:15:06,010
THC the American scream

1897
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:30,920
and that's where they found me

1898
01:15:30,930 --> 01:15:41,530
[Music]

1899
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:45,169
sing with me